Are you making the assumption that because the Israelis hit the observation post, the UN observers were in cahoots with the terrorists? I know it’s fashionable around here to hate the UN, but that’s quite a leap to make.
Even with all the fancy toys we sold the IDF, it could very well have been a mistake.
Maybe India should make a couple of
misstakes!!!After all misstakes come
and go in the middle east. Im so,so,
sure no one will care.The U.N. what
is it going to do?The same thing
they are doing now.Waiting on Condi Rice she will help us!!!!
Agree with Briandot. Mistake. Fog of War. Margin of Error. / Perhaps even Proximately CAUSED by one of Our vended Fancy Toys, malfunctioning. The Fancier (=, more Complex), the more Prone to Something Going Wrong. / If there is Anything the Israelis are Not, it’s Stupid. They KNOW they will likely need Somesort of UN Blessing ~ even if only Tacit ~ upon whatever emerges as the interim End of this business.
Cornerrat, India never Errs. / The Hindus are Always Right. :)
However, if Ever the pacifistical Subcontinentals WERE to blunder, I do Fear it could be the Pakistanis who Pay the Price of such Inadvertency. :| “Vee arre Keepingkup thee Pooshingk uf thee wrong Buttingk! Vee are verry Sorry!”BOOM! DOOM!!:/
but Honorable”Joe Loy”Your Honor please
may I approach the bench!!!We are
operating on the Grounds that Israel
can find Hezbeloh by themselves under
violate prior past U.N. treaties.
Such as the Treatie of versille.
Which was a SafeGuard against
Kudos to Brendan (and Instapundit, and Dave Kopel at Volokh Conspiracy) for pointing out the obvious: the UN Interim Force in Lebanon’s (UNIFIL) complete failure to achieve its objectives of has been deployed since 1978 for the purpose of “restoring international peace and security and assisting the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in [Southern Lebanon]” since it was deployed there almost THIRTY YEARS AGO! Given its stunningly pathetic track record, it’s not at all ridiculous to assume, even if there was no evidence (which THERE IS), that UN forces might be in cahoots with terrorists (to say nothing of the UN’s infamous anti-Israeli bias in general).
Briandot - while I am not willing to imply that the entire UN is anti-Israel, as I suggested and Brendan supported, there is history of individuals within organisations, both military and civilian, being rabidly anti-Israel even when the organisations are supposed to be neutral …
I don’t know if I prefer it to be an Israeli mistake or some UN peacekeepers getting karmic balance …
Israel has also been using cluster bombs, a weapon that clearly decreases one’s ability to distinguish between innocent civilian and military target. Apparently, Human Rights Watch also considers this a violation of international law:
Israel is also using phosphorous.
“The Human Rights Watch Monday said that IsraelÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s use of cluster bombs in populated areas possibly violates the international humanitarian law. The BBC reports that the Israeli military has claimed that their use is legal under international law and that they will investigate the claims.
The HRW report cites last weekÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s cluster bomb attack on the village of Blida that killed one person and injured 12. The group states it is also exploring other claims related to cluster munitions.
The BBC also reports that Israel is using phosphorous bombs in its offensive against Lebanon. According to the Associated Press, Civilians were admitted on Sunday with burns from Israeli phosphorous incendiary weapons.”
Now it turns out the UN observers had contact with the Israeli military prior to the bombing, not once, but TEN TIMES. This is sounding more and more like murder, plain and simple.
“BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — The U.N. observers killed when an Israeli bomb made a direct hit on their bunker in southern Lebanon Tuesday called an Israeli military liaison about 10 times in the six hours before they died to warn that the aerial attacks were getting close to their position, according to a U.N. officer.”
Nothing justifies Israel hitting the UN post, just as nothing justifies Hezbollah firing rockets into Haifa. If the Israelis made a mistake, that is one thing. But for people on this blog to imply that the UN observers somehow deserved this, that is ridiculous.
Is it just me, or, by about the 5th or 6th bomb getting closer and closer, would most of us not have said “Ummm, isn’t it time to go see a man about a shawarma ?”, and gotten away from the area ?
Since the UN wasn’t doing anything militarily to control Hezbollah in spite of the UN Resolution, WTF were UN Observers actually doing there at that time ? WTF were they doing that was potentially worth their lives ?
How many times did the Israeli military liaison remind ‘em that they weren’t exactly in the safest place to be ?
“WTF were UN Observers actually doing there at that time ? WTF were they doing that was potentially worth their lives ?”
You could say the same thing about the residents of Haifa or Beirut. The point is the UN observers should not be blamed for their own deaths, regardless of how ineffective the UN had been at dealing with Hezbollah.
To most people (i.e., NOT Mouse), this would be satire:
We Could Have Peace in the Middle East If Only a Few More People Would Condemn Israel
July 17, 2006
Posted by Frank J. at 12:17 PM
Now as Israel further continues the cycle of violence by once again responding to murder and kidnapping, peace in the Middle East seems ever more hopeless. If we ever want to have peace in the Middle East, we need even more people to do the brave thing and condemn Israel. Only that will send a clear message that violence - when committed by Jews - is wrong.
Israel has had a long history of responding to attacks on its people, and what do they have to show for it? More attacks! Israel seems to have missed an essential fact about the area in which they live: It’s full of Muslims. Grass is green, the sky is blue, and Muslims live in corrupt dictatorships and murder people. That’s just how things are. Does Israel really think they can solve that with violent attacks against the violent? That’s madness. Israel should have known that, by their location, they were essentially agreeing to get murdered every so often; anything else is cultural ignorance. But, by joining our voices in a cry of condemnation, maybe we can wake Israel up to the fact. We’ll have to shout loud for them to hear us over Hezbollah’s bombs, but they have to hear us now.
If you look at it, what other option does Israel have other than to stand there and take it when Muslims inevitably attack? Fighting back won’t discourage them; Muslims love getting killed and becoming martyrs. It’s like their favorite past time. Unless Israel plans to convert everyone in the Middle East to Judaism (and I know they aren’t; think of all the wangs that would need cutting), they’re going to get attacked no matter what they do. So why fight back? Unlike Muslims, Jews are supposed to know better about killing people. Do they really think they’re going to get recognized by more countries in the Middle East by reminding them how militarily impotent all those Muslim countries are? It’s foolishness, and, if only a few more of you would join me in telling Israel they are very very bad, maybe they’ll finally look past their dead to reason.
Once we condemn Israel and get them to finally stop hurting their neighbor Muslims (who are very good at hurting each other anyway), maybe they can finally work out some treaties with those who want to murder them. They can put a limit on how many Jews can be killed a month. Of course, the Muslims will probably exceed the limit, but it’s the thought that counts. By negotiating with murderous Muslims on their terms, Israel would set an example for the rest of the world to follow.
Israel is at war and surrounded by millions of people who want them dead, so what they need most right now is our criticism. Let’s remind them who were the ones who decided to be Jews where they are not wanted so maybe they’ll realize their folly and stop the aggression. Then we will finally have peace in the Middle East (as long as you don’t count Muslim violence Ã¢â‚¬â€œ but who does?).
A&A - I have yet to see anyone on here say that the UN observers “deserved” it …
I know I’m not the only one wondering who is was who lined them up like a skeet shoot …
And I know I’m not the only one with more unanswered questions than hard and fast answers …
F’r'instance, I’d really like to know who gave the observers their orders to stay put … and what reason was given for having the unarmed UN observers put/left where they could be the recipients of an airstrike …
What function were they serving at the time, other than to be a human shield for Hezbollah … ?
Lojo - isn’t it amazing how few folk seem to realise that in time of war, a good observtion point can be just as helpful or damaging as a missile launch site …
The UN Observer positions seem to all be on high points which is what makes them good for observing no matter who controls ‘em … In a war situation - eg Israel IDF vs Hezbollah terrorists - if the good observer positions aren’t held by Israel’s IDF forces, then what is Israel supposed to do ? Simply cede them to the terrorist forces uncontested ? Or is it not to be expected that the Israelis would lay down what I think is called ‘interdicting fire’ to deny the terrorists the use of the good observation point ?
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