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Israeli warplanes flew over the home of Syrian President Bashar Assad, Israeli officials said. The move apparently is aimed at pressuring the Syrian leader to help get a captured Israeli soldier released. Visit CNN for the latest.
Its one thing to engage in military action to get your kidnapped soldier back. Its a whole other proposition when you are deliberately poking other muslim nations in the eye, right intentions or not.
I don’t have the URL cite for it, but supposedly, either the guy who ordered the Israeli soldier’s kidnapping (or one of the guys who did) is headquartered in Damascus - hence the subtle hint to Syria that it is allowing itself to be involved …
Sadly, the solution is simple. We need to rid the world of radicals. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or secular, if you cannot get along with the rest of the world, you have got to go.
Funny how everyone knows the identity of this one Israeli soldier, yet no one knows the identity of a single illegally held Palestinian or a single Palestinian child killed by the IDF.
Are there any illegaly held Palestinians? Seriously.
And perhaps the reason why the names of Palestinian children killed by the IDF don’t get the same media attention as Isreali children killed by Palestinian suicide bombers (I don’t necessarily agree that is the case, but I’ll stipulate for argument’s sake) has to do with the fact that when the IDF kills innocent Palestinian civilians it is acknowledged as a mistake by the Isrealis, whereas when suicide bombers blow up Isreali children in a club or pizza parlor it is seen by the Palestinians as a complete success.
Likelihood that Israelis would execute even an illegally held palestinian? Low.
Likelihood that Palestinians would execute even a legally held Israeli? HIGH.
And as Joe said, if a Hamas bomber gets an Israeli child killed, its cried out as an success. If an Israeli missile accidentally hits an innocent palestinian child, whom was not a target, an investigation is launched.
I don’t say the child might not have been a target for the Hamas bomber because ALL ISRAELIs are targets for Hamas bombers.
Assad isn’t a radical. He is a Strongman (though a weak one at that). Like any tyrant, he manipulates the emotions of his people by sparring with foreign nations in order to rev-up the nationalistic feelings of his people because he, himself, is incapable of providing them with the things they truly need.
Good point. If Assad went to war with Israel and didn’t immediately clean their clock (which they wouldn’t), his position would be dangerously imperiled.
Israeli HAS engaged in assasinations which is a violation of international law. Hamas is refraining, as far as we know, from killing the soldier immediately. In fact, Hamas offered to trade the soldier for Israel’s release of all Palestinian women and all Palestinians under the age of 18.
Israel has over 1,000 hostages which Israel calls “administrative detainees.” They have never been tried or charged with anything.
The notion that Israel kills civilians only as an “accident” is downright silly. If you send a missile into civilian neighborhoods, you will kill innocent civilians– including children. In fact, people KNOW they will kill inocent civilians when they do so. It seems disingenuous to me to then turn around and say they didn’t “intend” to kill those civilians.
Israel routinely fires indicriminantly into civilian crowds and neighborhoods. If you think that’s a moral step above a suicide bomber killing civilians in Israel, that’s fine. I see no real moral difference.
Seems like Hamas didn’t hold off on killing the 18-year old settler they kidnapped, did they?
And as I said before:
“Likelihood that Israelis would execute even an illegally held palestinian? Low.
Likelihood that Palestinians would execute even a legally held Israeli? HIGH.”
There be the point and your moral difference. As for indiscriminately firing, why don’t you cite some examples?
Last I checked, most terrorist leaders in Palestine hide in heavily populated areas. Does that mean you risk a hundred more Israeli lives at the hands of Fatah bombers instead of risking a couple of Palestinian lives?
And BTW Will, Israel is currently dropping flyers on Palestinians warning the civilians to stay away from Kassam rocket sites as they will consider them military targets. Point to me the last time a suicide bomber pulled a trigger and said, I’ll give you 30 seconds to get all the women and children safely away.
Will - if Hamas and the Palestinians are such nobles folk, how come they are still firing missiles at Israeli settlements inside Israel ? Not armed forces bases, but at settlements inside Israel ?
When the rate of innocent Palestinians dying compared to the rate of innocent Israelis dying is 3:1– 3 innocent Palestinians to 1 innocent Israeli– I’m not sure your argument holds much weight. This is aside from the debatable notion that attacking Palestinian leaders inside civilian populations actually has ANY effect on the attacks. Israel has been doing this for years and it hasn’t slowed the attacks.
Brett,
Let me know when you’re interested in discussing the matter in a serious manner.
Will - at the risk of referring you to your own suggestion to Brett …
What is the ratio of Palestinian terrorists killed to Palestinian innocents killed ?
What is the ratio of Israeli military killed to Israeli innocents killed ?
What you seem unaware of (or posibly uncaring about) is the documented fact that the Palestinain innocents are killed mostly because the Palestinian terrorists actively choose to use civilians as human shield material … Israeli innocents are killed because they are targeted by Palestinian terrorists …
And the Israeli government chooses to use innocent civilians in its illegal land grab in the West Bank.
There are more than enough stories of Israeli soldiers killing innocent Palestinians, many of them children, Check Amnesty International and Human Rights watch.
The story you wish to tell of the kind gentle peace-loving Jews who never kill unless they absolutely are forced to do so by the mean terror-loving Palestinians is a fantasy of many people, including the posters here.
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June 28th, 2006 at 10:57:37 am
Ooooh boy. Not cool at all.
Its one thing to engage in military action to get your kidnapped soldier back. Its a whole other proposition when you are deliberately poking other muslim nations in the eye, right intentions or not.
June 28th, 2006 at 11:18:54 am
And buried at the bottom of the story was the factoid that this is the second time they’ve done it.
June 28th, 2006 at 11:37:59 am
I don’t have the URL cite for it, but supposedly, either the guy who ordered the Israeli soldier’s kidnapping (or one of the guys who did) is headquartered in Damascus - hence the subtle hint to Syria that it is allowing itself to be involved …
June 28th, 2006 at 11:49:29 am
Sadly, the solution is simple. We need to rid the world of radicals. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or secular, if you cannot get along with the rest of the world, you have got to go.
June 28th, 2006 at 12:07:56 pm
Funny how everyone knows the identity of this one Israeli soldier, yet no one knows the identity of a single illegally held Palestinian or a single Palestinian child killed by the IDF.
June 28th, 2006 at 1:25:35 pm
Are there any illegaly held Palestinians? Seriously.
And perhaps the reason why the names of Palestinian children killed by the IDF don’t get the same media attention as Isreali children killed by Palestinian suicide bombers (I don’t necessarily agree that is the case, but I’ll stipulate for argument’s sake) has to do with the fact that when the IDF kills innocent Palestinian civilians it is acknowledged as a mistake by the Isrealis, whereas when suicide bombers blow up Isreali children in a club or pizza parlor it is seen by the Palestinians as a complete success.
June 28th, 2006 at 1:38:14 pm
Kick the fucker in the ass.
June 28th, 2006 at 1:39:45 pm
Will -
Likelihood that Israelis would execute even an illegally held palestinian? Low.
Likelihood that Palestinians would execute even a legally held Israeli? HIGH.
And as Joe said, if a Hamas bomber gets an Israeli child killed, its cried out as an success. If an Israeli missile accidentally hits an innocent palestinian child, whom was not a target, an investigation is launched.
I don’t say the child might not have been a target for the Hamas bomber because ALL ISRAELIs are targets for Hamas bombers.
June 28th, 2006 at 1:45:22 pm
Assad isn’t a radical. He is a Strongman (though a weak one at that). Like any tyrant, he manipulates the emotions of his people by sparring with foreign nations in order to rev-up the nationalistic feelings of his people because he, himself, is incapable of providing them with the things they truly need.
June 28th, 2006 at 2:09:19 pm
Angrier -
Good point. If Assad went to war with Israel and didn’t immediately clean their clock (which they wouldn’t), his position would be dangerously imperiled.
June 28th, 2006 at 6:33:46 pm
Since the IAF (Heyl HaAvir / חיל ×â€?×?וויר ) was in the Neighborhood anyway, it would have been nice if they’d taken a minute to just Drop In. ;>
(YEAH, yeah, I know I know. Hey, liberals can have MilitarySolution fantasies too y’know. :)
June 28th, 2006 at 7:02:50 pm
Why is it they are suprised that isreal is reacting?
Seems to me they are asking for it.
June 29th, 2006 at 5:39:35 am
Lojo
Israeli HAS engaged in assasinations which is a violation of international law. Hamas is refraining, as far as we know, from killing the soldier immediately. In fact, Hamas offered to trade the soldier for Israel’s release of all Palestinian women and all Palestinians under the age of 18.
Israel has over 1,000 hostages which Israel calls “administrative detainees.” They have never been tried or charged with anything.
The notion that Israel kills civilians only as an “accident” is downright silly. If you send a missile into civilian neighborhoods, you will kill innocent civilians– including children. In fact, people KNOW they will kill inocent civilians when they do so. It seems disingenuous to me to then turn around and say they didn’t “intend” to kill those civilians.
Israel routinely fires indicriminantly into civilian crowds and neighborhoods. If you think that’s a moral step above a suicide bomber killing civilians in Israel, that’s fine. I see no real moral difference.
June 29th, 2006 at 6:27:28 am
“…it would have been nice if they’d taken a minute to just Drop In. ;>~
Or, at least Drom ‘Em. Just sayin’
June 29th, 2006 at 6:28:01 am
oops…should have read: “Drop ‘Em.”
June 29th, 2006 at 7:55:42 am
Oh Will. It must be nice to live in such a fantasy world. That big bad Israel just running around killing innocent women and children.
Hamas is refraining, as far as we know, from killing the soldier immediately
Well how noble of them. See, they’re not bad people, just misunderstood!!
June 29th, 2006 at 8:56:12 am
Brett
Did you have a serious reply instead of just sarcastic comments?
June 29th, 2006 at 9:31:33 am
“Well how noble of them. See, they’re not bad people, just misunderstood!!”
Is that how you really feel?
June 29th, 2006 at 10:35:02 am
Did you have a serious reply instead of just sarcastic comments?
Not at this time. Just felt like being a smartass!! Your posting made it quite easy.
And uscroger, no, I don’t believe that for even a millisecond. As Will has so eloquently pointed out, I was being “sarcastic”.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:03:54 pm
Will -
Seems like Hamas didn’t hold off on killing the 18-year old settler they kidnapped, did they?
And as I said before:
“Likelihood that Israelis would execute even an illegally held palestinian? Low.
Likelihood that Palestinians would execute even a legally held Israeli? HIGH.”
There be the point and your moral difference. As for indiscriminately firing, why don’t you cite some examples?
Last I checked, most terrorist leaders in Palestine hide in heavily populated areas. Does that mean you risk a hundred more Israeli lives at the hands of Fatah bombers instead of risking a couple of Palestinian lives?
And BTW Will, Israel is currently dropping flyers on Palestinians warning the civilians to stay away from Kassam rocket sites as they will consider them military targets. Point to me the last time a suicide bomber pulled a trigger and said, I’ll give you 30 seconds to get all the women and children safely away.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:16:36 pm
Will - if Hamas and the Palestinians are such nobles folk, how come they are still firing missiles at Israeli settlements inside Israel ? Not armed forces bases, but at settlements inside Israel ?
Isn’t that “a violation of international law. “ ?
June 29th, 2006 at 4:59:11 pm
Regarding Hamas, the Mossad helped create Hamas to fight the PLO in the late 60s and early 70s. Obviously that turned out to be a bad idea.
June 30th, 2006 at 5:07:54 am
Lojo,
When the rate of innocent Palestinians dying compared to the rate of innocent Israelis dying is 3:1– 3 innocent Palestinians to 1 innocent Israeli– I’m not sure your argument holds much weight. This is aside from the debatable notion that attacking Palestinian leaders inside civilian populations actually has ANY effect on the attacks. Israel has been doing this for years and it hasn’t slowed the attacks.
Brett,
Let me know when you’re interested in discussing the matter in a serious manner.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:15:55 pm
Will - at the risk of referring you to your own suggestion to Brett …
What is the ratio of Palestinian terrorists killed to Palestinian innocents killed ?
What is the ratio of Israeli military killed to Israeli innocents killed ?
What you seem unaware of (or posibly uncaring about) is the documented fact that the Palestinain innocents are killed mostly because the Palestinian terrorists actively choose to use civilians as human shield material … Israeli innocents are killed because they are targeted by Palestinian terrorists …
June 30th, 2006 at 3:21:02 pm
Alasdair,
And the Israeli government chooses to use innocent civilians in its illegal land grab in the West Bank.
There are more than enough stories of Israeli soldiers killing innocent Palestinians, many of them children, Check Amnesty International and Human Rights watch.
The story you wish to tell of the kind gentle peace-loving Jews who never kill unless they absolutely are forced to do so by the mean terror-loving Palestinians is a fantasy of many people, including the posters here.