Everyone’s favorite e-tabloid, The Drudge Report is broadcasting news of the arrest of a persistent heckler at an Anne Coulter speech at the University of Texas at Austin.
According to Drudge:
THE TEXAN reports: Shouts became so pervasive during the question-and-answer session that Coulter informed the organizers she would no longer take questions if the hecklers were not silenced. For a time, the shouts were considerably lessened, until the issue of gay marriage was broached.
Coulter said she supported the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman on the basis that a good woman civilizes and inspires a man to strive for something better, leading to a question that was met with a stunned silence.
“You say that you believe in the sanctity of marriage,” said Ajai Raj, an English sophomore. “How do you feel about marriages where the man does nothing but fuck his wife up the ass?”
At this point, campus officers arrested Raj for disorderly conduct, a class C misdemeanor.
Honestly, I can’t tell you enough about the law and legal reasoning behind “disorderly conduct” to tell you whether I think the university’s actions are justified. But honestly, if I was trying to watch Michael Moore’s movie and some jack ass kept heckling the screen and disturbing me, I wouldn’t cry if the police escorted him out.
Personally, I think part of the problem with this recent spate of ineffectual protesting is that it demonstrates our cultural lack of deference in such a profound way. People don’t seem to know their place and there’s this false sense of democracy that is completely wrong-headed.
Growing up in a Catholic community, I learned very quickly that you respect certain people just because you do. Of course, since I’m a bit contrarian, I was always getting into trouble because I wanted people to earn my respect on a personal level. As I’ve matured, I’ve come to appreciate more and more the need to respect people because of their rank.
By that, I actually do think of society in semi-militaristic tones. A buddy from ASU mentioned every now and then how he missed the organization of the army. He was great because he gave speeches to the ASU ROTC and he was so happy with how the kids treated him. Tim had a sense of his place though. He always referred to professors as either ma’am or sir. Old habits die hard, but I think that it helped him to constantly remember that he is in a hierarchical system and these professors are not his equals, they are his superiors.
That’s what this brat didn’t understand. Frankly, his opinion does not matter as much as Anne Coulter’s opinion. People gathered to listen to her, not to listen to his moans and groans and protests. You don’t have to agree with what Coulter stands for, but you should maintain a sense of decorum for her, because she is a respected public figure. She has a vision and influence that little Raj will never have and what he doesn’t realize is that he’s just another random heckler to Coulter. She deals with little insignificant specs like him all the time. She is important and he is not.
I’m not trying to advocate for complete compliance with all orders or something ridiculous like that. But I do think that we need to have more respect for authority. Just as President Bush should not be called a moronic mass murderer, neither should John Kerry be called a hypocritical, baby-killing, Purple-heart “winning” hippie. These issues should be discussed, but the tone of the discussion is far too crude and idiotic.
When a person’s best retort to the pedestrian line that marriage is between a man and a woman involves fuck and ass, clearly our discourse is shamefully poor.
Respect and deference do not mean total obedience. However, when a respectful and deferent person insults someone in a position of authority, it really means something. That’s what hanging out with Tim, my army pal, really taught me. He would not complain about professors or classes or books no matter how awful they were. The one time he did complain, we all felt justified because if even Tim was ticked, then we were on to something.
I do realize that Coulter herself is known to be highly inflammatory, but there is a crucial difference between her and Raj. She has made a good living being inflammatory and she is paid to do so. As a society, we have decided that her voice is one to be heard and contemplated.
Raj belongs at a hockey game or a football match. His behavior reminds me of a two year old throwing a tantrum at a nice restaurant. It’s despicable and repulsive; moreover, it represents his viewpoint in such a feeble way. In the end, he’s made himself look like a moron and he’s made Anne Coulter look reasonable and comparatively erudite.
The sad thing is that I strongly disagree with Coulter’s position on gay marriage. I feel that gays are treated like second-class citizens and it disgusts me that the political clime of our country supports their continual oppression.
People like Raj make a reasonable argument seem like a freak show circus. He’s screaming to the choir while everyone else looks on in horror.
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May 4th, 2005 at 1:31:27 pm
Good points. You can actually trace the communication behavior you’re talking about straight back to the countercultural movements of the ’60s. The civil rights movement was the last one to really operate respectfully, it simply all went downhill after that.
May 4th, 2005 at 1:34:13 pm
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Three cheers for free speech and all, but there is a point when you need to maintain civility and, I dunno, some freaking manners. Some people just get too carried away.
May 4th, 2005 at 2:16:45 pm
Ann Coulter in my town….I knew I sensed a disturbance in the force last night. As much as I would like to see that woman’s head decorate a sharpened pole, I refused to even be in the same zip code as she during her appearance. I even declined the request of a close friend in Dallas, a former Republican who wanted me to throw some sort of animal feces at her (I’m really not kidding). I, however, like not being in jail, and so instead watched “Equilibrium” (creepy movie, that) after a strong latte. Raj’s point was, well, pointless; but hey, he’s 19. He was acting out of his gut, and not his head. I don’t know if she deserves any respect I wouldn’t give the lowest earning speaker at a function, or a barista at Starbucks for that matter. I don’t look at things in a hierarchical way not created by my own opinions, but rather, I give others the same deference I would like were I to speak or perform publicly. Sort of the Golden Rule. And, yes, hotheadedness like his makes her look level by comparison, but she lives for it. Why preach to the choir? Ann Coulter wants liberals to hear her even more than conservatives. Besides; she’s not the brightest Crayola in the box. If someone wanted to expose her for the farcical idiot she is, they didn’t have to use profanity. They could’ve simply asked her opinion about those pesky Canadians.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/sticksandstones.html
May 4th, 2005 at 2:58:30 pm
I am going to try and respond to this, but I can’t seem to organize my thoughts coherently at the moment. The problem is I think it some ways you are completely wrong. In others, I would not disagree with what you’ve said.
I mean I don’t think you should respect someone just “because, well you just do” or “because they have authority” That really strikes me all wrong. Actually, that approach strikes me as both naive and absurd. However, that does not mean that it is okay to disrespect people. One should respect people because they are people. There are certain demands of decorum and decency that should be observed and this person violated those. He went about his protest incorrectly — in a rather asinine fashion actually; there are much better ways to deal with the situation. Asking her to clarify a point that appears to be a factual error in one of her books would be a much better question to have asked.
Clearly Ann does not deserves any less respect, just because of who she is, than I would give some random person on the street, but it certainly does not mean that she deserves more either. As far as I am concerned those that deserve greater respect are those that show respect, understanding, and compassion for others (among other things). I have a very hard time respecting those that will not respect me. Ann Coulter has show a capricious and disdainful lack of respect for anyone who’s views differ from her own. Because of that I don’t feel I owe her any more respect than anyone else and I certainly don’t feel any need to respecter her more just because she is Ann Coulter and a even though a bunch of people I don’t agree with have decided to place her on a pedestal and worship at her feet does not change that one iota.
Just the same, this guy was rather idiotic in his protest attempts. I feel that What he did was wrong and disrespectful indeed. I also feel that the Republicans that came to the Kerry victory speech in Virginia were disrespectful when they showed up to unfurl banners and heckled. And I feel that the USC College Republicans were insanely disrespectful and disdainful with their club advertising signs (at least while I was there.) Actually their advertising was so disrespectful it significantly lowered my opinion of both the club, and the Republican party generally (it also lowered my opinion of their ability to understand history), as well as my wiliness to take what they had to say seriously. (Got that any past USC College Republican’s members? Your advertising was so horrendous that it made sure that no matter how my political opinions change in the future I will never be willing to associate myself with your party.)
I apologize for my rambling, and hope that it made at least some sense: in some way explained my initial thoughts on this. I am certain much of it could be made much clearer and much more succinct.
May 4th, 2005 at 6:31:27 pm
Good points. You can actually trace the communication behavior you’re talking about straight back to the countercultural movements of the ’60s. The civil rights movement was the last one to really operate respectfully, it simply all went downhill after that.
May 4th, 2005 at 6:34:13 pm
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Three cheers for free speech and all, but there is a point when you need to maintain civility and, I dunno, some freaking manners. Some people just get too carried away.
May 4th, 2005 at 7:16:45 pm
Ann Coulter in my town….I knew I sensed a disturbance in the force last night. As much as I would like to see that woman’s head decorate a sharpened pole, I refused to even be in the same zip code as she during her appearance. I even declined the request of a close friend in Dallas, a former Republican who wanted me to throw some sort of animal feces at her (I’m really not kidding). I, however, like not being in jail, and so instead watched “Equilibrium” (creepy movie, that) after a strong latte. Raj’s point was, well, pointless; but hey, he’s 19. He was acting out of his gut, and not his head. I don’t know if she deserves any respect I wouldn’t give the lowest earning speaker at a function, or a barista at Starbucks for that matter. I don’t look at things in a hierarchical way not created by my own opinions, but rather, I give others the same deference I would like were I to speak or perform publicly. Sort of the Golden Rule. And, yes, hotheadedness like his makes her look level by comparison, but she lives for it. Why preach to the choir? Ann Coulter wants liberals to hear her even more than conservatives. Besides; she’s not the brightest Crayola in the box. If someone wanted to expose her for the farcical idiot she is, they didn’t have to use profanity. They could’ve simply asked her opinion about those pesky Canadians.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/sticksandstones.html
May 4th, 2005 at 7:39:00 pm
Respect is something that is EARNED, not something that is forced. I didn’t respect my last boss, not one tiny little bit, but I didn’t DISrespect him. I don’t respect Ann Coulter. But I would never publicly DISrespect here. There’s a difference between disrespect and lack of respect.
May 4th, 2005 at 7:58:30 pm
I am going to try and respond to this, but I can’t seem to organize my thoughts coherently at the moment. The problem is I think it some ways you are completely wrong. In others, I would not disagree with what you’ve said.
I mean I don’t think you should respect someone just “because, well you just do” or “because they have authority” That really strikes me all wrong. Actually, that approach strikes me as both naive and absurd. However, that does not mean that it is okay to disrespect people. One should respect people because they are people. There are certain demands of decorum and decency that should be observed and this person violated those. He went about his protest incorrectly — in a rather asinine fashion actually; there are much better ways to deal with the situation. Asking her to clarify a point that appears to be a factual error in one of her books would be a much better question to have asked.
Clearly Ann does not deserves any less respect, just because of who she is, than I would give some random person on the street, but it certainly does not mean that she deserves more either. As far as I am concerned those that deserve greater respect are those that show respect, understanding, and compassion for others (among other things). I have a very hard time respecting those that will not respect me. Ann Coulter has show a capricious and disdainful lack of respect for anyone who’s views differ from her own. Because of that I don’t feel I owe her any more respect than anyone else and I certainly don’t feel any need to respecter her more just because she is Ann Coulter and a even though a bunch of people I don’t agree with have decided to place her on a pedestal and worship at her feet does not change that one iota.
Just the same, this guy was rather idiotic in his protest attempts. I feel that What he did was wrong and disrespectful indeed. I also feel that the Republicans that came to the Kerry victory speech in Virginia were disrespectful when they showed up to unfurl banners and heckled. And I feel that the USC College Republicans were insanely disrespectful and disdainful with their club advertising signs (at least while I was there.) Actually their advertising was so disrespectful it significantly lowered my opinion of both the club, and the Republican party generally (it also lowered my opinion of their ability to understand history), as well as my wiliness to take what they had to say seriously. (Got that any past USC College Republican’s members? Your advertising was so horrendous that it made sure that no matter how my political opinions change in the future I will never be willing to associate myself with your party.)
I apologize for my rambling, and hope that it made at least some sense: in some way explained my initial thoughts on this. I am certain much of it could be made much clearer and much more succinct.
May 4th, 2005 at 8:08:15 pm
One could argue that Coulter is guilty of incitement.
She is more a provocateur than a journalist.
May 4th, 2005 at 8:12:00 pm
I have to agree with Sonja’s distinction. Anecdote time: One of my 6th grade teachers complained to my parents at the parent/teacher conference that I didn’t respect him. My father asked if I was disruptive or antagonistic, and my teacher quickly agreed that I wasn’t. My mother asked if he respected me, and my teacher–after a significant pause–said that thinking about it, he didn’t think he did. And he was shocked that my parents told him that he couldn’t expect me to respect him if he wasn’t willing to respect me. They agreed that it was necessary for me to follow basic protocols of decorum and civility, but informed him that I wouldn’t respect him personally until I felt that he had earned it. Respect for his position of authority over me meant that I’d comply with reasonable requests, not prevent him from doing his job, and keep the hostility civil, but it didn’t mean that I wouldn’t object, albeit politely, when he created rules which he later changed and tried to enforce the changes after the fact. I was very amused when I found out all of this later, as well as his comment that he “just [wasn’t] used to dealing with students like Mike”–a statement to which my parents expressed no surprise… :)
May 4th, 2005 at 8:13:30 pm
That’s hilarious. Did she answer the question? When you compare Katie Couric to Tokyo Rose you should expect to get heckled. A better question would have been to ask her why a woman should inspire a man and not the other way around. It’s really ironic when an outspoken woman talks about how a woman should stay in her place as a muse to her man. What this guy said is no more retarded than the crap that comes out of her mouth on a daily basis.
May 4th, 2005 at 10:25:08 pm
AC likes immflamatory language. But I am not sure Haha read the post the same way.
Saying a good woman civilizes and inspires a man to strive for something better is not the same as saying a woman should stay in her place as a muse to her man. Maybe AC belives the former and the latter, maybe not, but I think women can and should inspire her husband, I do not find that statement offensive at all, and this does not automatically mean the woman has to know her place. I do not know what else AC said at this paarticular event, but did she say that a woman should inspire a man and not also the other way around? Or are you simply implying AC does not think women can be inspired by their husbands? Shouldn’t two people who love each other and are married inspire each other? I am not defenfing AC, I just do not think the brief statement in this post implies what Haha thinks it implies. And even if AC thinks women should know their place below their husbands, you can think you can inspire your husband and think that it is a good thing
May 4th, 2005 at 10:26:12 pm
I meant to say I am not sure Haha read the post the same way I did.
May 5th, 2005 at 12:22:31 am
I think the respect/lack of disrespect distinction is encapsulated in what I’m saying here to some degree. While I extend the concept to include actually giving respect to remarkable individuals who have risen above obscurity, I also believe that there is a distinction between holding someone in esteem or simply not being openly hostile to them.
Ugh. This seems to be degenerating into Becky semantics here. Basically, I think that when your internal definitions of respect fail, that’s when deference comes into play. I may not respect one-nut Lance, but if he came to give a speech on campus and toss out yellow bracelets, I wouldn’t insult the guy.
I think that deference is wrapped up to a certain extent with decorum. It’s the principle of kindergarten manners, that when someone else is talking, you aren’t or that you used your inside voice inside and leave shouting for outside.
When I talk about respect, I don’t mean some kind of pathetic sycophantic worship. I mean something a lot more down to earth, more basic. Respect is opening your mind to someone’s point of view, dissenting in a non-offensive manner, and generally carrying yourself as a person with a certain amount of self-respect and integrity.
I can’t imagine what this guy is going to tell his kids someday. I was the guy who asked AC about husbands fucking their wives up the ass. Ugh.
I’ve done my share of wicked things to those in authority in my youth. I have a serious problem with stupid rules and those who enforce them like the world will end if they are broken.
I do think that loud protests have their place. For example, when I was at USC, the student coalition against labor exploitation finally got completely fed up with the administration’s refusal to meet with them and listen about the hideous conditions that the people who made USC apparel worked in. Those kids did their homework. They knew about other universities that has signed contracts not to use slave labor. They visited factories in Mexico where USC apparel was made. They spoke with labor watchdog groups and brought copies of documented labor offenses. And the administration refused to listen. So 10 kids sat in the president’s office while a hundred or so circled the building and yelled because without the yelling, no one was listening. Those kids were damn smart too. They called the press. They had a labor/protest lawyer on site. And the university finally listened and now, USC apparel is manufactured under guidelines that actively seek to eliminate sweatshop labor in the production process.
Now that’s an effective protest. And while it’s not exactly respectful to take over someone’s office and interrupt business, I believe that these students took every available route before deciding on such drastic action. And when they took drastic action, they were prepared.
I suppose that in my current world view, I’m starting to learn the value of obedience and of basic manners. Don’t get me wrong. I still piss off authority, fart and all that stuff. But philosophically, I think I’m coming to understand the value of these concepts in a way that I never did before. I suppose that I always knew my parents taught me to have good manners for some reason, but I never gave much thought to the extended societal impact of that.
Anyway, y’all keep me up too late!!! Sweet dreams!
May 5th, 2005 at 12:37:01 am
“I have a serious problem with stupid rules and those who enforce them like the world will end if they are broken.”
Ahhh Becky, that’s why I love you, we think so similarly sometimes. ;-)
“I still…fart….”
And that’s why Brendan loves you! hehe
May 5th, 2005 at 12:39:00 am
Respect is something that is EARNED, not something that is forced. I didn’t respect my last boss, not one tiny little bit, but I didn’t DISrespect him. I don’t respect Ann Coulter. But I would never publicly DISrespect here. There’s a difference between disrespect and lack of respect.
May 5th, 2005 at 12:55:45 am
You are so oppresive Andrew! Are you going to call Becky cute next! jeez :)
May 5th, 2005 at 12:56:50 am
Becky, honey darling, sweetie poo
please do not hate me for loving you
May 5th, 2005 at 1:08:15 am
One could argue that Coulter is guilty of incitement.
She is more a provocateur than a journalist.
May 5th, 2005 at 1:12:00 am
I have to agree with Sonja’s distinction. Anecdote time: One of my 6th grade teachers complained to my parents at the parent/teacher conference that I didn’t respect him. My father asked if I was disruptive or antagonistic, and my teacher quickly agreed that I wasn’t. My mother asked if he respected me, and my teacher–after a significant pause–said that thinking about it, he didn’t think he did. And he was shocked that my parents told him that he couldn’t expect me to respect him if he wasn’t willing to respect me. They agreed that it was necessary for me to follow basic protocols of decorum and civility, but informed him that I wouldn’t respect him personally until I felt that he had earned it. Respect for his position of authority over me meant that I’d comply with reasonable requests, not prevent him from doing his job, and keep the hostility civil, but it didn’t mean that I wouldn’t object, albeit politely, when he created rules which he later changed and tried to enforce the changes after the fact. I was very amused when I found out all of this later, as well as his comment that he “just [wasn’t] used to dealing with students like Mike”–a statement to which my parents expressed no surprise… :)
May 5th, 2005 at 1:13:30 am
That’s hilarious. Did she answer the question? When you compare Katie Couric to Tokyo Rose you should expect to get heckled. A better question would have been to ask her why a woman should inspire a man and not the other way around. It’s really ironic when an outspoken woman talks about how a woman should stay in her place as a muse to her man. What this guy said is no more retarded than the crap that comes out of her mouth on a daily basis.
May 5th, 2005 at 3:25:08 am
AC likes immflamatory language. But I am not sure Haha read the post the same way.
Saying a good woman civilizes and inspires a man to strive for something better is not the same as saying a woman should stay in her place as a muse to her man. Maybe AC belives the former and the latter, maybe not, but I think women can and should inspire her husband, I do not find that statement offensive at all, and this <i>does not</i> automatically mean the woman has to <i>know her place</i>. I do not know what else AC said at this paarticular event, but did she say that a woman should inspire a man and not also the other way around? Or are you simply implying AC does not think women can be inspired by their husbands? Shouldn’t two people who love each other and are married inspire <i>each other</i>? I am not defenfing AC, I just do not think the brief statement in this post implies what Haha thinks it implies. And even if AC thinks women should know their place below their husbands, you can think you can inspire your husband and think that it is a <i>good thing</i>
May 5th, 2005 at 3:26:12 am
I meant to say I am not sure Haha read the post the same way I did.
May 5th, 2005 at 5:22:31 am
I think the respect/lack of disrespect distinction is encapsulated in what I’m saying here to some degree. While I extend the concept to include actually giving respect to remarkable individuals who have risen above obscurity, I also believe that there is a distinction between holding someone in esteem or simply not being openly hostile to them.
Ugh. This seems to be degenerating into Becky semantics here. Basically, I think that when your internal definitions of respect fail, that’s when deference comes into play. I may not respect one-nut Lance, but if he came to give a speech on campus and toss out yellow bracelets, I wouldn’t insult the guy.
I think that deference is wrapped up to a certain extent with decorum. It’s the principle of kindergarten manners, that when someone else is talking, you aren’t or that you used your inside voice inside and leave shouting for outside.
When I talk about respect, I don’t mean some kind of pathetic sycophantic worship. I mean something a lot more down to earth, more basic. Respect is opening your mind to someone’s point of view, dissenting in a non-offensive manner, and generally carrying yourself as a person with a certain amount of self-respect and integrity.
I can’t imagine what this guy is going to tell his kids someday. I was the guy who asked AC about husbands fucking their wives up the ass. Ugh.
I’ve done my share of wicked things to those in authority in my youth. I have a serious problem with stupid rules and those who enforce them like the world will end if they are broken.
I do think that loud protests have their place. For example, when I was at USC, the student coalition against labor exploitation finally got completely fed up with the administration’s refusal to meet with them and listen about the hideous conditions that the people who made USC apparel worked in. Those kids did their homework. They knew about other universities that has signed contracts not to use slave labor. They visited factories in Mexico where USC apparel was made. They spoke with labor watchdog groups and brought copies of documented labor offenses. And the administration refused to listen. So 10 kids sat in the president’s office while a hundred or so circled the building and yelled because without the yelling, no one was listening. Those kids were damn smart too. They called the press. They had a labor/protest lawyer on site. And the university finally listened and now, USC apparel is manufactured under guidelines that actively seek to eliminate sweatshop labor in the production process.
Now that’s an effective protest. And while it’s not exactly respectful to take over someone’s office and interrupt business, I believe that these students took every available route before deciding on such drastic action. And when they took drastic action, they were prepared.
I suppose that in my current world view, I’m starting to learn the value of obedience and of basic manners. Don’t get me wrong. I still piss off authority, fart and all that stuff. But philosophically, I think I’m coming to understand the value of these concepts in a way that I never did before. I suppose that I always knew my parents taught me to have good manners for some reason, but I never gave much thought to the extended societal impact of that.
Anyway, y’all keep me up too late!!! Sweet dreams!
May 5th, 2005 at 5:37:01 am
<i>”I have a serious problem with stupid rules and those who enforce them like the world will end if they are broken.”</i>
Ahhh Becky, that’s why I love you, we think so similarly sometimes. ;-)
<i>”I still…fart….”</i>
And that’s why <i>Brendan</i> loves you! hehe
May 5th, 2005 at 5:55:45 am
You are so oppresive Andrew! Are you going to call Becky cute next! jeez :)
May 5th, 2005 at 5:56:50 am
Becky, honey darling, sweetie poo
please do not hate me for loving you
May 5th, 2005 at 1:32:29 pm
hmm, she might not hate you, but brendan might punch you.
May 5th, 2005 at 1:55:49 pm
I’m quite confident that with my amazing ability to rhyme, Becky will come to her senses and love me instead. Heh.
May 5th, 2005 at 1:59:12 pm
When you refer to Anne Coulter as AC it makes me think of the OJ chase. “You know who this is.”
I think Anne Coulter could inspire me to divorce her and move on to someone less nutty.
Becky - What do you have against Lance Armstrong. The man comes back from cancer to win the Tour de France 6 times. He donates an insane ammount of time to philanthropy and he’s never said anything overwhelmingly partisan. Some people accuse him of cheating with no proof. Comparing him to that blond hack AC is just wrong.
May 5th, 2005 at 2:20:12 pm
I like Lance, but I got the impression that he dumped his wife. What was that all about?
Al Cowlings, wow, haven’t heard that name in a while/decade.
May 5th, 2005 at 3:36:35 pm
From what i remember about it Lance and his wife got seperated/divorced because she just didn’t like how much time he spent with the cycling.
May 5th, 2005 at 5:16:44 pm
Actually, I have nothing against Lance Armstrong. He was just the first name that popped into my head.
The case that Lance Armstrong was cheating when he won the Tour de France is provocative. He was, indeed, using steroids to deal with the impact of his cancer. Supporters of Armstrong say that any advantage he would have gained by using steroids were obviously mitigated by that whole cancer thing. Detractors say that the rules against steroid use are crystal clear.
Personally, I think it’s funny that he has a customized bike seat cuz he only has one nut. lol!
And Andrew, of course we on some stuff. We’re both naturally brilliant after all. :)
May 5th, 2005 at 6:32:29 pm
hmm, she might not hate you, but brendan might punch you.
May 5th, 2005 at 6:55:49 pm
I’m quite confident that with my amazing ability to rhyme, Becky will come to her senses and love me instead. Heh.
May 5th, 2005 at 6:59:12 pm
When you refer to Anne Coulter as AC it makes me think of the OJ chase. “You know who this is.”
I think Anne Coulter could inspire me to divorce her and move on to someone less nutty.
Becky - What do you have against Lance Armstrong. The man comes back from cancer to win the Tour de France 6 times. He donates an insane ammount of time to philanthropy and he’s never said anything overwhelmingly partisan. Some people accuse him of cheating with no proof. Comparing him to that blond hack AC is just wrong.
May 5th, 2005 at 7:20:12 pm
I like Lance, but I got the impression that he dumped his wife. What was that all about?
Al Cowlings, wow, haven’t heard that name in a while/decade.
May 5th, 2005 at 8:36:35 pm
From what i remember about it Lance and his wife got seperated/divorced because she just didn’t like how much time he spent with the cycling.
May 5th, 2005 at 10:16:44 pm
Actually, I have nothing against Lance Armstrong. He was just the first name that popped into my head.
The case that Lance Armstrong was cheating when he won the Tour de France is provocative. He was, indeed, using steroids to deal with the impact of his cancer. Supporters of Armstrong say that any advantage he would have gained by using steroids were obviously mitigated by that whole cancer thing. Detractors say that the rules against steroid use are crystal clear.
Personally, I think it’s funny that he has a customized bike seat cuz he only has one nut. lol!
And Andrew, of course we on some stuff. We’re both naturally brilliant after all. :)