Oh yes, because I have beliefs that differ from yours I must be a sore loser.
Grow up Andrew.
If Bush wins our country will continue in a downward spiral. Nothing I can do to change that but I don’t have to be happy about it.
But if you really think a President who supports the death penalty, who supports cutting social programs, who supports bigotry and institutionalized segregation, has the support of God, well, you really are off your rocker. Not saying that Kerry does either, i mean supporting abortion obviously seems to be rather contrary to God’s teachings. Bottom line is political parties have so polarized and brainwashed our country that neither side seems to be basking in God’s glory.
Hey David - your beliefs include God’s disdain for America? Perhaps it is your current disgust talking, more than a personal, strongly held belief? I don’t know. (Please note that I’m not trying to label you as simply “bitter.” I think you care, a lot, and are terribly disappointed.)
See, I know that we get all kinds of things messed up (we as in USA, not one group in particular) but for my part, I see this country as a great gift of God. A country that has enjoyed His blessings, and (just like everyone throughout religious history) has most definitely taken those blessings for granted. But God stood behind David (biblical David, father of Solomon, eventual husband of Bathsheba) and he certainly messed up all kinds of things. Did many things against God’s will. Solomon was even worse. And yet, God forgives. And we have not all forgotten Him either.
Maybe Bush winning the election isn’t God’s will, but I assure you that many prayerful Christians have discerned it as such, just as you have discerned otherwise. This may be a good point to mention that you can’t assume your political viewpoints, as a God-fearing Christian, are the same political viewpoints as anyone who is a God-fearing Christian. Or a God-fearing anyone-else. And I’m not even talking about the crazy hoo-hoo Bible-thumpers who say the purple teletubby is gay. How we figure God’s will into how we go about this nation’s needs will be different.
It is wholly unfair to claim someone is “off [their] rocker” for the reasons you listed. It seems that you may have developed a tendency to transfer your personal feelings toward Andrew (or at least his viewpoints) onto all Republicans. I don’t really know this though, seeing as how I haven’t seen or talked to you in about 4 years and don’t really know you anymore. And I don’t know Andrew at all. Maybe that’s all this is. But as someone who disagrees with you on most political views and agrees on many social and most religious views, I hereby am claiming myself as not off my rocker. Despite your criteria =o).
Mayhaps this would be a good point to, in all fairness, mention that I also have the tendency to be way too optimistic? Like I always think hey, maybe CA will go for the Republican presidential candidate this year? Not foolish enough to outright expect it, but hey, a girl can dream =o).
PS David, please note the appropriateness of my language and loss of words I wouldn’t say in front of a four year old. =o). I need to stop procrastinating now. Maybe. =o)
Keri, I don’t think God truly hates America. I am just sick of the Republicans claiming divine will in their candidates win. There are many things that both candidates support that are contrary to God’s teachings, and yes God supported David when David made mistakes, but the difference is David made the mistakes and then asked for Gods forgiveness. I don’t see Kerry seeking to reverse his position on abortion, I don’t see Bush trying to say that capital punishment is wrong and he’s sorry.
This has nothing to do with Bush winning. This has to do with some kind of divine right to lead.
I think that each and every person who does have a religious views should take those in to account when they vote. I know many people who feel very strongly about abortion and that it is so important that they are willing to vote for Bush despite disagreeing with him on other areas. And I respect that. Just as I respect people who feel that other issues, such as war or capital punishme, or social justice, etc are more important.
In all likelihood Bush will win this election, in both the popular vote and the electoral vote. He will most likely be elected in December by the electors. At which point he will be our President. And that is the will of the American people. I may dislike it, but I accept it and for the next four years he will be our President.
But I think it still thinks its outlandish to assume that because Bush wins the election it means he is ordained by God. As an individual I certainly believe he recieves as much of God’s love as any of the rest of us. But if we are to assume that God blesses a leader merely because he is elected than God’s blessing is going to fall on a lot of very bad men as well.
And I am sorry that you feel that I was attacking all Republicans or all religious people who feel they are following their convictions when they vote for a candidate. I realize that they must balance those considerations. But God also gave us free will to determine our earthly actions, and it may be, and in fact many have claimed in this election that rather than choosing between the good and the bad, that we are choosing between the lesser of two evils so to speak. Perhaps neither choice is the one that God would have us make.
BTW Andrew, the one who needs to grow up is you. Yet again you have jumped to conclusions about what I have said, putting words into my mouth. Enjoy your victory, it was hard fought, but I beg you and all Republicans to consider the divisive actions President Bush has taken and ask yourself if he can’t do better. And maybe, just maybe, you will finally be able to accept the fact that simply because someone strongly dislikes Bush that they aren’t a Democrat and you might not be able to find common ground with them. Probably not, but if Keri can hope for a Republican win in CA I can try and be optomistic too.
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