Okay okay, so that’s not what the president said (or almost said) when he flubbed the line, “We can’t send mixed messages”, but for me that was the highlight of the debate entertainment-wise.
Which goes to show, I suppose, just how substantive, serious, and outstanding this debate really was. It’s not just Jonah Goldberg–this was the best presidential debate in decades. Perhaps that is because the seriousness of the time calls for a serious substantive debate, or perhaps it’s just because neither candidate is a great orator. Whatever the case, I was impressed with the format, with the questions, and with the content. I seriously don’t know what all the pre-debate media bitching was about, as the two campaigns seem to definitely have hit upon a winner as far as formats go. Additionally, each man presented a clear, distinct vision for how he thinks we should move forward. For those who failed to see the difference between the candidates last time around, I don’t know how anyone can make that mistake now.
So who won?
Perhaps my perception is warped, seeing as how I’m playing Wonkette’s drinking game (and there have been a lot of references to terrorism, Bin Laden and Hussein, so I’ve already had quite a bit to drink), but I think Kerry is doing surprisingly well so far.
Bush quote of the day: “That’s not what commander-in-chiefs does.”
UPDATE: I’m pretty drunk right now, but I thought the debate was roughly a draw. Thoughts?
UPDATE 2: We’re watching Fox News, and the spin is pretty pro-Kerry. So it sounds like maybe Kerry won the debate.
UPDATE 3: CNN’s (obviously very unscientific) internet poll shows Kerry winning the debate 91% to 8% so far.
I’m too drunk to fully comprehend Hugh Hewitt’s “debate scorecard,” but he, on the other hand, thinks Bush won.
UPDATE 4: The MSNBC poll says Kerry won, 73% to 27%.
UPDATE 5: A less positive verdict from Jeff Jarvis, a likely Kerry voter:
I’ve said that I was a “likely Kerry voter” … How likely? Weeks ago, I’d have put that at, oh, 85 percent: not wildly enthusiastic, perhaps, but OK with the decision. Recently, that number has fallen to, say, 75 percent. …
[The debate] made me more unsure about Kerry. He sounds more like Howard Dean and I didn’t want to vote for Dean. He had my likely vote; it was his to lose. He hasn’t lost it … yet. …
So how likely am I now? Peg me at 65 percent and note the trendline. The next debates and the next weeks matter. The election isn’t over for me or for millions and millions of voters. We’re the real pollsters and our results are not in yet.
Fellow swing voter Becky says she’ll tell me her reaction to the debate tomorrow. She has to “sleep on it.”
Of course, by tomorrow we’ll be thinking about Notre Dame vs. Purdue, not Bush vs. Kerry… :)
David says his mom “moved from an Anything but Bush to a For Kerry voter tonight.”
LAST UPDATE BEFORE I
PASS OUT GO TO SLEEP: Andrew Sullivan weighs in:
The impact? Kerry has to gain, I think. At the very least, this was a draw on the president’s most favorable turf. I saw it among a group of Dartmouth college students that was mainly pro-Kerry but had a solid pro-Bush presence. It’s odd to hear them laughing out loud at their president; and groaning openly at some of Kerry’s remarks. Afterward, only the Bush supporters seemed concerned that their candidate had lost ground. They should be. Watching Bush last night, I saw a president who isn’t really in control of his office, a man who couldn’t and didn’t defend the conduct of the war except to say that it was “hard work,” who seemed defensive and occasionally rattled. He had some strong points; and I agree with him on the basic matter of whether we should have gone to war. But the argument that we might be better changing horses in the middle of an increasingly deep and troubled river gained traction last night. In some ways, this might turn out to be a version of the 1980 Carter-Reagan match, when Reagan was able [to show], by his persona and presence, that he was up to the job. Yes, Bush is not as bad as Carter and Kerry is no Reagan. But the dynamic was somewhat similar. In other words, Kerry gets back in the game. And edges up a little.
CORRECTION: I’M STILL CONSCIOUS: Conscious enough, at least, to point out that Kaus says Kerry won. “[S]hockingly succinct and sharp. … If he doesn’t get a one or two point boost in the polls, I’ll be very surprised.”
UPDATE: Here’s another.
Prof. Dutile: “What happened to the decedent? As happens to so many decedents…”
Student: “He died.”
Prof. Dutile: “They’ve done studies. If you’re a decedent, your odds aren’t good.”
Just so there’s no confusion here, according to The Political Brew, I’m extremely liberal. On this website, they have a test where you answer various policy questions and rate the importance of each issue.
On a scale of 0 to 100 (0 being the most liberal and 100 being the most conservative), I scored a 9 on non-fiscal issues and a 12 on fiscal issues.
Just in case you had any doubts before, there we go. This proves it. I’m a liberal. I’m curious, though, on how some of the other people who normally contribute to this site (especially Brendan) fare.
This article has three of my friends in in hysterics, fighting a losing battle against the giggles during Torts.
P.S. Then there’s this. LOL.
Cleveland Indians pitcher Kyle Denney was shot in the right calf while riding on the team bus as it was traveling to Kansas City International Airport late Wednesday night.
Denney was not seriously injured. The bullet did not go very deep and was immediately removed by Indians trainers. …
In Cleveland, The Plain Dealer reported that as part of a rookie hazing ritual, Denney was wearing a USC cheerleader’s outfit, including high white boots, on the trip to the airport.
“Our trainers said the boots may have saved Kyle from further injury,” Swain said.
UPDATE: Here’s a photo:
If I want to pass CivPro, I probably shouldn’t post a link to a humor-site article making fun of spelling-bee nerds when the article makes reference to my CivPro professor’s 13-year-old son, the national spelling bee champ… but, what can I say, I’m fearless. :) And hey, they’re not making fun of the professor’s son, they’re making fun of the kid he beat!
On a less satricial and more
ass-kissing in case Prof. Tidmarsh knows my URL genuinely admiring note, here’s a news article about David Tidmarsh’s victory. Here’s his bio, and here’s the list of words he spelled correctly — Wow! I only know two of those… the first two…
Jeff Wynn, chief scientist at the U.S. Geologic Survey’s Cascade Volcano Observatory in Vancouver, Wash., says there is a 70 percent chance of a small eruption in “the next few days” at Mount St. Helens.
It occurs to me that if there’s an eruption in the next 24 hours or so — anytime before tomorrow night’s evening news, really — it could distract a good deal of attention from the presidential debate in the news cycle. Even moreso if it’s in the next 12 hours (thus affecting the morning papers)… even moreso if it’s in the next 6 (before the debate)…
Volcano webcam here.
HRC beats GWB wins 308-230, says I:
States she would win that Kerry won’t: Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, Arkansas and Florida.
I also give it to Gephardt, 300-238 (Minneosta, Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio and West Virginia) and Lieberman, 274-264 (Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin and Florida, minus Michigan).
From the “Why didn’t I think of that?” file: www.kerryhatersforkerry.com:
Are you going to vote for John Kerry even though you find him unpleasant, annoying, arrogant, waffling, misguided or just generally unappealing in some profound way? Then you’ve come to the right place! We’re Kerry Haters for Kerry — perhaps his largest constituency! No need to hide in the Kerry-hating closet anymore while you pretend to everyone that he’ll be a great president. Here you are among friends. You can speak freely and honestly. You can admit: “He’s awful! And I’m for him!”
Hat tip: Kristine, via Wonkette.
“An implied-at-law contract is a legal fiction. It’s basically Santa Claus in the realm of contract law. It’s not as funny, it’s not as cheery, but it’s basically Santa Claus.”