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How high can the Buckeyes climb?
Posted by on Friday, January 2, 2004 at 11:25 pm

Ohio State is creaming the controversy-saddled Kansas State Wildcats at the moment, 35-14, late in the third quarter. This brings up an interesting question: if the Buckeyes win, will they leapfrog Michigan in the final rankings, even though the Wolverines soundly beat OSU in the final, conference-deciding, national-championship-berth-possibly-on-the-line game of the regular season?

Here were the final rankings of the regular season from the AP poll (you know, the voters who actually get to vote) and what that team has done in its bowl game:

1. USC (beat Michigan, 28-14)
2. LSU (plays Oklahoma Sunday)
3. Oklahoma (plays LSU Sunday)
4. Michigan (lost to USC, 28-14)
5. Texas (lost to Wash. St., 28-20)
6. Tennessee (lost to Clemson, 27-14)
7. Ohio State (easily beating Kansas State)
8. Kansas State (losing badly to Ohio State)
9. Florida State (lost to Miami, 16-14)
10. Miami (beat Florida State, 16-14)

Okay, so let’s review. USC is #1. The Sugar Bowl winner is #2. After that, our winners and still two-loss teams are… Ohio State and Miami. Plus, whoever loses the Sugar Bowl will also be a two-loss team. So what do we do with those presumptive #3-5 teams? Following the normal “win and you gain ground, lose and you lose ground” logic, it would go:

1. USC
2. LSU/Oklahoma winner
3. Ohio State
4. Miami
5. LSU/Oklahoma loser
6. Michigan

But of course, this has several flaws. One is, I’m not sure if the sportswriters really respect OSU enough to put them at #3. I suspect Miami might leapfrog them instead. Then again, Kansas State was a media darling after beating Oklahoma, and now OSU is creaming them, so who knows… but the bigger issue is, what the hell, how can OSU be 2-3 spots ahead of Michigan after beating them 35-21 on Nov. 22?

(Hey, wait a minute, Kansas State just scored, now it’s 35-21 — familiar score! — early in the fourth quarter. It ain’t over yet.)

Assuming OSU does win in the end, a more accurate final poll — based on the totality of the season rather than the old “bump up, bump down” logic — might look something like this:

1. USC
2. LSU/Oklahoma winner
3. LSU/Oklahoma loser (c’mon, give ‘em a break, they lost to the #2 team in the country)
4. Michigan (c’mon, give ‘em a break, they lost to the #1 team in the country)
5. Ohio State (good win, boys, but #5 is as high as we go — blame Michigan, again)
6. Miami (of Florida, though I’d love to see Miami of Ohio, which only has one loss after all, here or higher)

Of course, that places three-loss Michigan ahead of two-loss OSU and two-loss Miami, which, come to think of it, isn’t exactly in line with “totality of the season” logic. But head-to-head matchups should not be ignored… so as you can see, this is a dilemma.




5 Comments on “How high can the Buckeyes climb?”

  1. Andrew Says:

    Head-to-head only counts for equal records. By your logic, Cal should be ranked #1 instead of us. Oh but they have six losses? Well if one extra loss doesn’t matter, why not two? Three? Four? Where do you draw the line and on what principle?

  2. BoiFromTroy Says:

    Here is my top ten:

    1. USC
    2. BCS winner
    3. Ohio State
    4. BCS loser
    5. Miami
    6. Michigan
    7. Washington State
    8. Georgia
    9. Iowa
    10. Texas

    Although having seen Wazzu play Texas in person, I am starting to think the Big XII is not all that good.

  3. Dane Says:

    I have a theory. Root like mad for Oklahoma to spank LSU. Why? Okay, USC spanked Michigan right. And Michigan spanked OSU, and OSU spanked Kansas State, and Kansas State (as we all know) spanked Oklahoma. Therefore an LSU win is less good for USC than a an Oklahoma win because there is a reasonably direct path between them all involving the last two games each team played.

    Hey, it is the closest we get to a head to head. (unless there is a similar chain to LSU, but I don’t think there is because their loss was a lot longer ago, making it a lot more difficult to see.

  4. TrojanTiger Says:

    If I had a vote it would go

    (scenario with LSU winning)
    1. USC
    2. LSU
    3. Ohio State
    4. Miami (FL)
    5. Miami (OH)
    6. Oklahoma
    7. Michigan
    8. Georgia
    9. Iowa
    10. Washington State

    (scenario with Oklahoma winning

    1. USC
    2. Oklahoma
    3. LSU
    4. Ohio State
    5. Miami (FL)
    6. Miami (OH)
    7. Michigan
    8. Georgia
    9. Iowa
    10. Washington St.

    The Ohio St/Michigan dilemma was tough, but what can I do?

  5. Andrew Says:

    Well Brendan, here are some folks who think like you.


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