Honduras makes sense to me. Basically, Obama is saying “coups are bad”. And I agree. We can’t let it be acceptable to have the military take over a country like that – very bad.
I’m with you on Iran, though. I thought his first moves (not waddling into the fray and giving the regime ammo) were great. But this is a bit much. You can say “we will negotiate with Ahmadinejad” without saying he’s legitimately elected – if you leave it unsaid that you aren’t sure about his election, you CAN imply that the reason you are negotiating with the regime because you aren’t sure about their legitimacy, but for the time being, you have to deal with SOMEONE. But that’s not what Obama is doing here.
gahrie
B. Minich:
But Honduras wasn’t a coup. The president was removed legally according to the constitution and law of Honduras and was replaced by the civilian who was mandated to replace him. (from the same political party as the ousted president I believe) The Honduran army merely carried out the orders of the Honduran legislature and supreme court. It was actually the ousted president who was attempting a de facto coup Hugo Chavez style.The military was never in charge of the Honduran government during this crisis.
Except that by all accounts by people who know the region, they said it WAS a coup, and that the military was not authorized to replace the president in the manner they did. I tend to believe them rather than right wing talking points. I’m glad they didn’t put a general in charge, but this is still a horrible thing to allow to happen, and I’m glad Obama and Uribe of Columbia are having no truck for this. And may I note that Uribe is no left winger – he’s the most pro-American, right wing leader in the region, and he and Chavez hate each other with a passion. If they both agree on this issue (which they do), then I think we can say that it would be best to put Zelyia back in charge of Honduras.
Ironically, this has gone and made Zelyia more popular than he ever was before this began.
David K.
What, you mean gahrie doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about? I’m shocked, i say SHOCKED.
This article claims that the army jumped the gun, but otherwise supports my thesis.
By the way David…yet another personal attack on me while ignoring the subject. I’ll say this for you…at least you are consistent.
dcl
I’m not sure what he is thinking saying he is the elected leader. Unfortunately, he is the leader though. There does not seem to be much we can do about that at this point.
David K.
I’m not ignoring the subject at all gahrie, B. Minich had it well in hand. Also, if you consider it a personal attack to point out that you are personally wrong most of the time, well that seems pretty thin skinned. Now if I had called you names or insulted your parentage that owuld be one thing, but pointing out that you are clueless, when its been demonstrated repeatedly? Ok, whatever man.
gahrie
David K: Your first post on this thread served no purpose other than as a personal attack. It made no effort what so ever to discuss the issue. That’s a pretty classic definition of a troll in most people’s book……
gahrie
Make that second post, although your first post was also a personal attack..just not on me.
David K.
gahrie, you are wrong. Alot. Most of the time in fact. Thats not an attack, i am not calling you a bad person. I’m not calling you a bastard son of a monkey and a squid. I’m pointing out that you have a lack of correctness in your posts.
Heck you are wrong in your latest post! Alluding to the fact that some people believe Dubya didn’t actually win the election in 2000 isn’t a personal attack. Even if I was being serious and not joking (again with the lack of a sense of humor) its STILL not a personal attack.
Whichever is occuring sooner, your birthday, christmas, hannukah etc. ask for a dictionary, you far too frequently get the meaning of things wrong and it hurts any credibility you might have.
Seriously? You know, you’d think we could support the Iranians just a bit more than that. Bad one, Obama.
Well if we had to call Bush the elected leader after 2000 …. 😉
Seriously…can anyone please explain to me the logic behind the Obama administration’s positions on Iran and Honduras?
Honduras makes sense to me. Basically, Obama is saying “coups are bad”. And I agree. We can’t let it be acceptable to have the military take over a country like that – very bad.
I’m with you on Iran, though. I thought his first moves (not waddling into the fray and giving the regime ammo) were great. But this is a bit much. You can say “we will negotiate with Ahmadinejad” without saying he’s legitimately elected – if you leave it unsaid that you aren’t sure about his election, you CAN imply that the reason you are negotiating with the regime because you aren’t sure about their legitimacy, but for the time being, you have to deal with SOMEONE. But that’s not what Obama is doing here.
B. Minich:
But Honduras wasn’t a coup. The president was removed legally according to the constitution and law of Honduras and was replaced by the civilian who was mandated to replace him. (from the same political party as the ousted president I believe) The Honduran army merely carried out the orders of the Honduran legislature and supreme court. It was actually the ousted president who was attempting a de facto coup Hugo Chavez style.The military was never in charge of the Honduran government during this crisis.
Except that by all accounts by people who know the region, they said it WAS a coup, and that the military was not authorized to replace the president in the manner they did. I tend to believe them rather than right wing talking points. I’m glad they didn’t put a general in charge, but this is still a horrible thing to allow to happen, and I’m glad Obama and Uribe of Columbia are having no truck for this. And may I note that Uribe is no left winger – he’s the most pro-American, right wing leader in the region, and he and Chavez hate each other with a passion. If they both agree on this issue (which they do), then I think we can say that it would be best to put Zelyia back in charge of Honduras.
Ironically, this has gone and made Zelyia more popular than he ever was before this began.
What, you mean gahrie doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about? I’m shocked, i say SHOCKED.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/01/AR2009070103210.html
This article claims that the army jumped the gun, but otherwise supports my thesis.
By the way David…yet another personal attack on me while ignoring the subject. I’ll say this for you…at least you are consistent.
I’m not sure what he is thinking saying he is the elected leader. Unfortunately, he is the leader though. There does not seem to be much we can do about that at this point.
I’m not ignoring the subject at all gahrie, B. Minich had it well in hand. Also, if you consider it a personal attack to point out that you are personally wrong most of the time, well that seems pretty thin skinned. Now if I had called you names or insulted your parentage that owuld be one thing, but pointing out that you are clueless, when its been demonstrated repeatedly? Ok, whatever man.
David K: Your first post on this thread served no purpose other than as a personal attack. It made no effort what so ever to discuss the issue. That’s a pretty classic definition of a troll in most people’s book……
Make that second post, although your first post was also a personal attack..just not on me.
gahrie, you are wrong. Alot. Most of the time in fact. Thats not an attack, i am not calling you a bad person. I’m not calling you a bastard son of a monkey and a squid. I’m pointing out that you have a lack of correctness in your posts.
Heck you are wrong in your latest post! Alluding to the fact that some people believe Dubya didn’t actually win the election in 2000 isn’t a personal attack. Even if I was being serious and not joking (again with the lack of a sense of humor) its STILL not a personal attack.
Whichever is occuring sooner, your birthday, christmas, hannukah etc. ask for a dictionary, you far too frequently get the meaning of things wrong and it hurts any credibility you might have.